“I want to tell them what that doctor told me. Of all cancers you had to get, this is probably the better one because it's so well researched, it's so curable.
It's going to be hard. It's going to be a disruption to your life, but it's not going to be life ending. That for me was such an important message for me to hold on to through all this.
No matter how alone I felt, or how much I was like, ‘Oh, this sucks.’ But at least I didn't have something that was more life-threatening. It was never a question of, ‘Will I survive this?’ It's just, ‘When will this be over?’”
Name: Stephanie Ou
B = Bulky disease (site of disease >10 cm)
Shortness of breath
1 infusion each week
Schedule of IV drugs (per Stanford Medical)
Weeks 1, 5, 9: Mechlorethamine (or Cytoxan on weeks 1 & 5, if you are on a study), Doxorubicin, Vinblastine
Weeks 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12: Vincristine, Bleomycin
Weeks 3, 7, 11: Doxorubicin, Vinblastine, Etoposide (for 2 days)
Monday through Friday for 4 weeks
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What were the first symptoms?
I had been coughing for the better part of a year, sometimes worse than others. That was really my only sign. I'd been active, I'd been living my life normally, fully. But I was coughing a lot. Then I was going to the health center at school or whatever was available and they would always just say, "Oh, maybe it's allergies, maybe you're fine healthwise."
It wasn't until I came home that of course, you know mothers, my mom forced me to go get it checked out because she said, "This has been going on too long, you should go get it looked at." So my mom pushed me to get a chest x-ray just to be safe.
That’s where things all changed - a large mass was found in my mediastinal area, 12 centimeters. What followed was a month of doctor’s visits, tests, scans, procedures, etc. to figure out exactly what was going on inside of me.
How did you get diagnosed?
I got connected to a doctor at Stanford.
It hadn't spread to any of my lymph nodes or anything like that, so that was good.
Do you remember the moment you got the diagnosis?
I remember the chest x-ray was ordered through my general physician at the time. My mom got a phone call that same day when we came back and then she just said that something was weird. So you start thinking but you wouldn't assume that you have cancer unless you have a reason to assume it.
I remember feeling more helpless before I knew that it was cancer. I remember feeling that limbo, that feeling of knowing something's wrong but then not really knowing what it is. Then I'm someone who likes to have a game plan in life in general. In work, in my personal life, I want to have action steps to take care of problems or to problem solve. Not knowing what was wrong was a really hard time.
The waiting was one of the hardest parts
The waiting and then the uncertainty - just not knowing what's going to happen.
How did you break the news to loved ones?
My mom knew everything before I did in this case. My mom was at the helm of communicating with my doctors and with my nurses. She would come to every appointment with me which was so helpful.
In retrospect, I think it was hard for me but that's just my personality. We just went with it.
II. Treatment Decisions
How did you decide where to go for treatment?
I have an aunt who's a doctor in Washington, DC. She knew immediately upon hearing the news that she wanted to do whatever she could to help. She connected us with one of her colleagues at Stanford whom I initially met with. He wasn't an oncologist, I think he was a specialist in heart so he referred us to Dr. Advani at Stanford.
How did you approach treatment and research?
In retrospect and reflecting on it, I think the easiest way for me to deal with it at that time was just to go with it. To not question it. To just trust the process.
Did you get a second opinion?
I didn’t seek out a second opinion. I didn't really shop around or try out different hospitals or anything like that. We did Google "Dr. Advani" and it came back with positive responses.
Looking back, I feel really lucky. We got matched with doctors who turned out to be a real godsend, both in terms of their emotional support, as well as the physical healthcare that they provided.
What did you like about going to a private but larger, institution?
When I was going through chemo for lymphoma, I was there once a week. I didn't really do much else. I wasn't working, as I mentioned, and friends would come by to visit. When you're getting chemo once a week, you basically feel like crap, then recover, and then it's time for your next chemo.
I remember they were so friendly. They were so personable. They recognized me, I recognized them. It felt like seeing friends, which was nice. Some of them have been there since six years ago when I got lymphoma, or when I had my chemo for lymphoma. It's just been cool developing those relationships with the nurses.
I think Stanford gave us a sense of security knowing that it's a well established medical facility. We just never really felt worried with the care that we were getting there, and then on the more logistical side, they were very helpful all the time in helping to navigate insurance issues or if we have questions, whatever questions we had while I was getting chemo, they were very helpful.
In terms of what I didn't like, because it felt so big, they're often behind schedule. There's no real sense of schedule there, which I understand why. I would often have to wait a long time for things, for appointments.
Did you get a port or PICC line?
I did not get a port nor a PICC line, no. Through both of my cancer treatments, I got everything through an IV.
I think initially they said, “You're young, your veins are fine. Let's start you out with just IVs, and then see.” They also said because ports and PICC lines are just another risk for infection and just another procedure, so for me I was like, “Great.”
I didn't really mind being stuck with a needle, so we started it that way and then made a mental note that if we need to make a change, we can make a change.
Did it get harder through the veins?
As chemo went on I think my veins were mad, you know? All the problems that we're going through. So it got harder and harder. Also, for me mentally, it got harder. I think physically, I never really was nauseous. I would feel low energy or lethargic sometimes, one or two days after chemo. But what became the hardest was mentally going to the hospital and getting stuck with an IV. Sometimes just the thought of being in that room toward the end of my treatment, it would just make me feel nauseous.
III. Tests, Scans, Biopsies
What tests/scans/biopsies did you undergo before treatment?
Needle biopsy (inconclusive)
Bone marrow sample (most painful)
Heart echo (+ bubble test, noninvasive test to assess the flow of blood through the heart)
Pulmonary function test
Describe the chest x-ray
It was painless. It was quick. I had no idea what this would all turn out to become. It was just a routine procedure. It wasn't in a hospital, it’s just a walk-in clinic. It was normal, routine, like when you get an x-ray at the dentist. You wear that heavy lead thing and it's just quick, it's painless, it's noninvasive. I got results the same day which I realize now is because it was important. It was abnormal.
Describe the bone marrow biopsy
A lot of these tests happened closely with full day of tests. They they took me to another room where my nurse practitioner performed the bone marrow biopsy, her and another person.
It struck me because it wasn't any procedural room, it wasn't like they took me to an operation room or anything like that, it was just in the normal room you see your doctor in. I remember thinking like, "Okay, cool, it's just another routine test," like how they did a heart function test or all these other things, they were noninvasive. I remember thinking, "Okay, no big deal." I have a pretty high pain tolerance so I'm typically like, "Whatever."
It would be interesting to see it happen because I'm actually curious to see what that procedure looks like now that I have like a feeling of what it feels like. I remember she was very apologetic. "Sorry! I'm so sorry I have to do this." I remember they did it a couple times and I was like, "Oh, my gosh, I can't take this." And she's like, "Okay, okay, it's good enough. It's good enough." That was kind of the feeling - I asked them to stop.
Describe the CT and PET scans
Next was a CT scan and then a PET scan. I did those scans and then there was a needle biopsy which was inconclusive, but the CT scan and the PET scan confirmed that there was an issue. The chest x-ray was outside of Stanford, but after that, I was referred to Stanford and I think then they ordered the CT and PET scans for their own purposes and information gathering.
I remember having to wait in a waiting room and then a nurse came to start an IV. At that time, starting an IV was no big deal. As treatment went on, it became harder and harder for nurses to find good veins.
It was with contrast (dye) so they had to start an IV in me and I remember waiting for quite some time at that center. I just remember when the contrast goes in, it feels like you need to pee, your whole body's kind of tingly. The PET and CT scans themselves were pretty fast. I'd say like 20 to 30 minutes total.
Describe the surgical biopsy
I remember I had to go under. There was as pre-op area where I had to wait a long time. I think this was the first time that I remember feeling sad or feeling alone. I think several factors caused me to do that.
One was it was at night time. It was just a whirlwind of tests. We knew something was wrong, we knew it was likely cancer, we knew also that most likely I would be okay, it wasn't a cancer that would kill me. I remember they said 90% of these cases are not just in remission, but you're cured. We knew all this but it was just a whirlwind of, "Okay, we need to do this test, this test, this test."
Waiting for the surgery, I remember feeling, "Oh, shit, what's happening to me?" I was just quiet because it was just me, I was waiting to go into the operating room.
I remember thinking, "Oh, this is cool, Stanford." They gave me an iPad to play on. I didn't have my phone with me and I remember thinking it was cool. Oh, Stanford's so fancy, they have iPads that you can use while you're waiting to go into the operating room! Funny little thing to remember.
I have a scar on my neck from the biopsy. Up here, they cut me open there. I was sore in that area. That was my first time going under anesthesia. I learned from that that I get very nauseous after anesthesia. And they had a breathing tube in me, too, so my throat was really sore. Those were the two things that I remember. It's been like that every time I have surgery, too.
How did you get through waiting for the results?
I'm the kind of person who hates waiting, not just for something as big as this, but just in general. I wouldn't classify myself as a patient person. I dealt with it by looking online. I just thought, "Oh, maybe I can find out by Googling my symptoms or looking at forums." What do most people do, or what happens to most people with these words that I've heard?
IV. Chemotherapy & Radiation
What chemo regimen did you undergo?
I had two choices. The standard procedure was called ABVD and an alternative that was presented to me was the Stanford V regimen. I remember that they told me that they both have kind of the same success rate, and either way I'd have to get radiation after chemo since my tumor was so big.
I ended up choosing the Stanford V regimen because it was more condensed. It was weekly treatment packed into three months, whereas the ABVD was bi-weekly treatments over the span of six months. So, because either way I had to have radiation and I wasn't working at the time, I was like, “I'd like to get this over as soon as possible.” I just chose Stanford V because it was more condensed.
Describe the “Stanford V” regimen
12 treatments over 12 weeks. So once a week.
The way Stanford V works is you don't get the same drugs every week. I think it was a two or three week rotation. So depending on where in the rotation I was, I would either get one infusion, or two or three different infusions. Most of them were just through the IV. I do know there was one that was given through a syringe, a red one - Vincristine.
Generally speaking, I think treatments took the better part of a day, at least five hours. It was pretty comfortable at Stanford, I would just sit in a chair, they would hook me up. They had TVs on the chairs, for the most part I was awake, for most of the day. Sometimes I'd take a nap or read.
I also would have to do lab work before. Every time I showed up for chemo I would go to lab, get my blood drawn, I would see my oncologist, who would check my white blood cell count. Then if it was okay, I would go upstairs to get the chemo.
There was one time during my second or third week where my blood count was too low, so then they started me on Neupogen then sent me back to get chemo the next day.
How was the infusion process?
What really triggered it too for me was when they start your IV, they have to flush it with saline. When they push it through the syringe to make sure your line is clear, I’d taste the metallic taste. For some reason when saline drips through the IV, I don't taste it but when it's pushed through the syringe I taste it. That became this mental association for me with chemo and being sick. I remember that would trigger this nauseous feeling and I would kind of gag, especially later on during the last few weeks of my treatment, it was really hard.
Also, the Coban [tape] that they used to wrap your [arm] whenever they draw blood, that smell would somehow trigger nausea, too. Once I knew that, I would ask them, “Okay, I know you have to flush my IV, but when you do it, can you use as little as possible? Don't push the whole through it?” Or, sometimes if the nurse is really nice, we'll draw some out of the saline bag for the IV, and they'll use that to flush. Or instead of using Coban to wrap my arm, they'll use a bandaid, or paper tape, or something.
Describe the chemo side effects
I would say two to three days after, I'd be pretty tired. I would kind of sleep the whole day. The next day, I would be back to normal for the most part.
I had aversions to food. Food I normally really liked, I could not stand the smell of or would make me feel kind of queasy. I remember really enjoying tomatoes with all of our lasagna, or tomato sauce stuff. One of our family friends bought an ice cream cake from Cold Stone, I remember devouring that. Just weird food, not cravings, but just things that didn't normally appeal to me would appeal to me. I lived at home at that time, so my Mom had to stop cooking food when I was there. Or she'd have to cook it, and then put it away right away.
What helped with the side effects?
Constipation: stool softeners, Colace
Mouth sores: special mouthwash and toothpaste
We had just as many side effect medications. I had medications I was taking to stay ahead of the nausea, like Zofran, and things like that. I remember my nurse practitioner telling me it's a lot easier to stay ahead of the nausea than to feel nauseous and then try to take medication to combat it. I took that to heart and I really religiously took the anti-nausea medications.
But then with that came constipation and I did have trouble with that. So I had other medications like stool softeners to deal with that. I also had some dry mouth or mouth sores so I had a mouthwash I used to help with that and a special toothpaste I used for that. But I don't actually remember that bothering me too much. I think it did come up a little bit but it didn't hold me back. It didn't make me feel terrible or anything. I had to have Colace. It wasn't prescription stool softener, it was just drug store stool softeners. I don’t think it worked because I still had problems. I ended up having a liquid fiber kind of thing that I would dissolve in water and then drink it. It was nasty, but it worked.
How was the Neupogen shot?
The first time I got it, I remember it hurt a lot. And then, my nurse told me next time take Claritin before you get the Neupogen, and ever since then I did that and it helped so much.
How many scans did you undergo during chemotherapy?
They did a scan halfway through my treatment and then they did one at the end, as well.
For the midway PET scan, the mass had shrunk down from 12 centimeters to 3 centimeters. Then post chemo scan came back negative, so everything was good.
You underwent radiation after chemo
I think they were saying it was because there could be traces that don't show up on the scan, and I understood it as just to be safe. I think it was part of the regimen, so just to complete it, I had to do twenty days of radiation every Monday through Friday. Every day.
How was the radiation?
It was super easy. I had to go in at first to get fitted for something- they put like this cage over my head, because the target area was in my chest, so I had to get a mold of my face, my neck and upper chest area. I remember they made this cage, that would fit my body, and then they used that to keep me in the right position each time and to make sure I'm lined up with the lasers each time.
I also had to get one tiny tattoo, a dot that looks like a freckle. I think they used that to help make sure everything was lined up correctly. It's like on my chest, in between my two boobs. It's a tiny dot, it literally looks like a freckle, you can't even see it. I remember the tattoo, it was just like a pin prick. One tiny second.
Once that was set up, every day when I went in for radiation, they would put the mask on me which would then help me get in the right position. I was lying on my back. There were these machines that would radiate me. I don't remember seeing any lights.
Were there any radiation side effects?
It was super quick, I remember they told me that my skin might get a little bit dry or start peeling like I have a sunburn, so just to keep it moisturized. I didn't actually have any problems with that at all. It was super quick, it didn't feel like anything. Compared to chemo it was just in and out, thirty minutes each time. It was super fast, super easy.
What was the follow-up procedure after chemo and radiation?
I had to visit my oncologist once every three months for maybe three years. Then I had to see them once every three months. Each time they did a blood test. For PET scans I think at first it was once every six months I did a PET scan, for the first year after, then one a year.
V. Quality of Life
Describe the hair loss
I remember my first treatment nothing really happened with my hair. I think three weeks in my hair started falling out, just a little bit at a time. Then I remember it got to point where it was just getting everywhere all around me - on my pillow, on my clothes. It was really more irritating than anything else.
It ended up not being as traumatic as I thought it was going to be, to shave my head, that is. Throughout treatment I ended up getting a free wig from the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society at one of their centers. But it didn't really suit my style. I ended up ordering wigs online and getting two wigs. I got a long one, and then I got one that was a half a wig. It has the bangs and the bottom part, and I would wear the beanie over it. That one ended up being a lot more comfortable.
Through chemo, I was never confident. I always saw women rocking a wrap, or a scarf, or just even nothing. I remember thinking, "Oh wow. They still look so feminine, even though they don't have long hair," which, I never expected. But I never had the confidence, or the courage, to do that. I always went out with a wig on. I think during treatment it wasn't hard for me. The reality was I had cancer and I was getting treatment.
What was the worst part of treatment?
For me and my personality and who I am as a person, I think losing control was the hardest part. Definitely. That was a hard thing because all my time was consumed by chemo and cancer. The only time I really went out of the house was to either go get chemo or go to a doctor's appointment to go get images, or whatever. For three months of my life, everything revolved around cancer.
I didn't drive myself to my own appointments. I was never alone, really. I mean, sometimes yes, I would be getting chemo, and my mom would go downstairs to the cafeteria. It was always me and my caretaker. At the time I didn't realize it bothered me so much, but looking back I really felt like I was so young. I just finished grad school. I was just about to start getting my adult life going. I think it was a huge blow to me to not have any control of my health, of where I was going, of how I spent my time, things like that.
What helped you get through those tough times?
I think just looking forward. Counting down, "Okay. Now I'm two thirds of the way down on treatment. Now I only have two weeks left to go."
I had so much support too. My friends really rallied. They sent me nice things. I think it was a huge shock for them, too. It was the first time, for a lot of us, that someone so young could be diagnosed. We hear about cases all the time. Like, "Oh our grandparents have cancer," or "So-and-so feels bad, because his dad had cancer in high school."
But it was the first time for my friend group that it was so close to them. They really rallied. They sent me letters. It was really sweet. I appreciated it. It helped me definitely through hard times, too. But I will say, I definitely also felt like, "Well, you guys don't really get it, either." Which is not meant to take away from their concern, and their support, and their love. Because I felt that, definitely. But ultimately, I did feel like I'm the one who has to go through this.
How did you find your community
I looked up recommendations where there was young adult cancer survivors. I tried to look for blogs of people who had been through this experience. I remember finding one blog where this woman had posted, "Week by week my hair grow back to normal," kind of thing. It helped me to see like, "Oh 12 weeks out of treatment, this is what her hair looked like." Or, "She stopped wearing a wig 16 weeks out of treatment."
It helped me to see that. And also I remember looking up organizations. I remember just googling young adults, cancer, lymphoma to see if there were people I could relate to.
Any big surprises during treatment?
Physically it wasn't easy, I remember. But it wasn't as bad as media, and movies, and TV shows portray it to be. I was real lucky but I was never bent over the toilet trying to vomit or feeling like I need to vomit. I didn't really have that kind of feeling. That was what I thought it was going to be like because a lot of times that's how it's portrayed in media.
“Be your own advocate”
The medical experts have a lot of scientific and medical knowledge. I don't discount that at all, but I think ultimately we know our bodies best. I think for big picture treatment things, it's good to have their guidance.
Hypothetically for people going on Stanford V regimen, could they work?
With this regimen, I don't think so because you're going in every week, you don't have enough time to really recover in between. If you're working at home, maybe - I guess it depends on your job. I'm a teacher, so there would have been no way for me to come into the classroom in between treatments.
Advice on how to get the right support?
I totally get it. They want to help. They want to know how things are going. But my treatment started in September and ended in December. I remember there was one time when a bunch of people were home for Thanksgiving, and I remember feeling it was so nice to hang out and see friends, and just hang out. They were home in town for Thanksgiving, and we all met up. It was just nice. It was like old times.
Whereas, every other conversation, I remember starting with, "How are you doing? How are you feeling? How are the treatments?" I get it. People are coming from a place of concern, of love, of support. But it was nice just to be able to forget about that for a little bit. You know?
And even after treatments were over. A lot of conversations began with, "How is your health?" Sometimes friends who I haven't seen for a long time were out of concern, "Is everything good with your health?" I get it, and I understand it. But it was important to me that cancer didn't label me. I don't want to be the thing people think of when they think of me.
What’s your advice to patients and caregivers now dealing with a Hodgkin lymphoma diagnosis?
I want to tell them what that doctor told me. Of all cancers you had to get, this is probably the better one because it's so well researched, it's so curable.
It's going to be hard. It's going to be a disruption to your life, but it's not going to be life ending. That for me was such an important message for me to hold on to through all this. No matter how alone I felt, or how much I was like, ‘Oh, this sucks.’ But at least I didn't have something that was more life-threatening. It was never a question of, ‘Will I survive this?’ It's just, ‘When will this be over?’
Thank you for sharing your story with us, Stephanie!